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		<link>http://www.openparenthesis.org/2008/07/22/reviewing-the-groundswell#comment-692308</link>
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		<title>By: Joshua Porter</title>
		<link>http://www.openparenthesis.org/2008/07/22/reviewing-the-groundswell#comment-602312</link>
		<dc:creator>Joshua Porter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 31 Jul 2008 10:38:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My concerns were similar...the assumption that people can fit into &quot;buckets&quot; or rungs on the ladder that describe their technological use. You are either someone who blogs and reads blogs or you aren&#039;t. 

My experience has suggested that people are all over the place, as you say. They might read a blog on their favorite topic of food and not even think about it as being a blog...while that is sophisticated behavior Social Technographics-wise it really doesn&#039;t say anything about the person...merely that they found the site and liked the content there.

So yes, as a rough instrument it can be a good conversation starter, and as I get older I realize that this is important on the team level. But I really don&#039;t see how one can make tactical decisions with it...given that it&#039;s such a broad tool and that all the data is self-reported in the first place. (that&#039;s the bigger problem with most of Forrester&#039;s data)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My concerns were similar&#8230;the assumption that people can fit into &#8220;buckets&#8221; or rungs on the ladder that describe their technological use. You are either someone who blogs and reads blogs or you aren&#8217;t. </p>
<p>My experience has suggested that people are all over the place, as you say. They might read a blog on their favorite topic of food and not even think about it as being a blog&#8230;while that is sophisticated behavior Social Technographics-wise it really doesn&#8217;t say anything about the person&#8230;merely that they found the site and liked the content there.</p>
<p>So yes, as a rough instrument it can be a good conversation starter, and as I get older I realize that this is important on the team level. But I really don&#8217;t see how one can make tactical decisions with it&#8230;given that it&#8217;s such a broad tool and that all the data is self-reported in the first place. (that&#8217;s the bigger problem with most of Forrester&#8217;s data)</p>
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		<title>By: John</title>
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		<dc:creator>John</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Jul 2008 23:33:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@joshua porter 

Great question about the Technographics stuff. I&#039;ve tried to write about before and failed. 

Instruments like the Social Technographics Profile always have to oversimplify. There&#039;s not enough sense of grain in recency and frequency - doing different activities once per month versus a hundred times a day. There&#039;s also not enough clarity about motivations and how they differ across groups. Finally, it implies that people grow up the ladder - they start by listening and some of them eventually get to the top. 

That&#039;s wrong because some people start elsewhere in the ladder and then move up or down. Some people are all things in the ladder at once. Others start in one rung and basically stay there forever. 

However, I think it has a lot of value as a rough instrument. Knowing, in a given demographic, whether it seems like that population is more active or less active than the overall net population in a given category can be useful. The way they use it in the discussion in groundswell is relevant here - helps determine how a business should go after different audiences. 

Of course, more detailed stats on user actions on your own site - your actual customers, not a demographically balanced panel, combined with user testing and user feedback - beats broad brush demographics anyway. 

Since you asked the question, what were your concerns about the technographics profile stuff?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@joshua porter </p>
<p>Great question about the Technographics stuff. I&#8217;ve tried to write about before and failed. </p>
<p>Instruments like the Social Technographics Profile always have to oversimplify. There&#8217;s not enough sense of grain in recency and frequency &#8211; doing different activities once per month versus a hundred times a day. There&#8217;s also not enough clarity about motivations and how they differ across groups. Finally, it implies that people grow up the ladder &#8211; they start by listening and some of them eventually get to the top. </p>
<p>That&#8217;s wrong because some people start elsewhere in the ladder and then move up or down. Some people are all things in the ladder at once. Others start in one rung and basically stay there forever. </p>
<p>However, I think it has a lot of value as a rough instrument. Knowing, in a given demographic, whether it seems like that population is more active or less active than the overall net population in a given category can be useful. The way they use it in the discussion in groundswell is relevant here &#8211; helps determine how a business should go after different audiences. </p>
<p>Of course, more detailed stats on user actions on your own site &#8211; your actual customers, not a demographically balanced panel, combined with user testing and user feedback &#8211; beats broad brush demographics anyway. </p>
<p>Since you asked the question, what were your concerns about the technographics profile stuff?</p>
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		<title>By: Joey</title>
		<link>http://www.openparenthesis.org/2008/07/22/reviewing-the-groundswell#comment-598839</link>
		<dc:creator>Joey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Jul 2008 01:24:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thank you for the review John.  I have been reading Charlene&#039;s feed for a while now and was curious about the book.  To be honest I was a little turned off by how much she was pimping the book over the past few months.

I look forward to whatever her next venture will be and will keep clued into her blog, but I&#039;ll pass on the book this time around.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank you for the review John.  I have been reading Charlene&#8217;s feed for a while now and was curious about the book.  To be honest I was a little turned off by how much she was pimping the book over the past few months.</p>
<p>I look forward to whatever her next venture will be and will keep clued into her blog, but I&#8217;ll pass on the book this time around.</p>
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		<title>By: Maddie Grant</title>
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		<dc:creator>Maddie Grant</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Jul 2008 00:59:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Nice review!  I had similar thoughts as I was reading it.  A perfectly adequate business book, like a whole raft of others that have come out recently, all of which assume the audience really don&#039;t know much or are somehow looking in from the outside rather than being and feeling part of it all.  I think we&#039;re all ready for some deeper stuff now.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nice review!  I had similar thoughts as I was reading it.  A perfectly adequate business book, like a whole raft of others that have come out recently, all of which assume the audience really don&#8217;t know much or are somehow looking in from the outside rather than being and feeling part of it all.  I think we&#8217;re all ready for some deeper stuff now.</p>
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		<title>By: Joshua Porter</title>
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		<dc:creator>Joshua Porter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Jul 2008 00:42:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Great review, John. I have not read Groundswell, but I&#039;m curious to know your thoughts on Forrester&#039;s Social Technographics profile. 

A while back Josh Bernoff offered a free report about Social Technographics to bloggers, and I grabbed it, but I didn&#039;t end up reviewing it on my blog because I had several problems with it. I decided at the time that it was better in that case to not write anything than to write a negative review...

So I&#039;m curious, did the methodology strike you in any way?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great review, John. I have not read Groundswell, but I&#8217;m curious to know your thoughts on Forrester&#8217;s Social Technographics profile. </p>
<p>A while back Josh Bernoff offered a free report about Social Technographics to bloggers, and I grabbed it, but I didn&#8217;t end up reviewing it on my blog because I had several problems with it. I decided at the time that it was better in that case to not write anything than to write a negative review&#8230;</p>
<p>So I&#8217;m curious, did the methodology strike you in any way?</p>
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